After months of testing and gathering new CPU benchmark data, in this review we compare 28 CPUs across 14 games, helping you choose the best value processor for your next gaming PC.
The Best Value Gaming CPUs: 28 Top CPUs Tested
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Why does the 7800x3d outperform the 7900x3d and the 7950x3d in basically all games
7800x3d has one CCX vs two in 7900/7950. Windows doesn't have to park the cores.
Dreadcthulhu
Posts: 184 +348
Thanks for the excellent review. If there is anyone shopping for a budget machine right now, Newegg has the Ryzen 7600X on sale for $195 & they are tossing in 1 TB SSD drive as well.
erickmendes
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And after all this review that's why I won't upgrade from my 5800x3D any time soon. Got it at launch (2 years ago), upgraded my GPU for a 4080, so I'm going to float this for the next 4 years, at least.
Unless you only have a 1080p screen or play competitive at low resolutions, I don't find the value in charts like these. If you bump things up to 1440p or 4k you'll find these CPUs are much more bunched together.
Don't get me wrong, I do see what the author is showing, and they're not wrong. I'd just like to see more real world and higher resolution charts. I think you'd find something like the 5700x and the 5700X3D very close for example, which would skew the results.
Don't get me wrong, I do see what the author is showing, and they're not wrong. I'd just like to see more real world and higher resolution charts. I think you'd find something like the 5700x and the 5700X3D very close for example, which would skew the results.
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This is now. Once higher performance GPU's come out the previous 1080p results becomes 1440p and 4K results. Steve shoved this perfectly when he tested 3950X, 5800X and 5800X3D. With 3090 Ti these were neck and neck at 4K. Testing with 4090 the 5800X3D was a much as 50% faster at 4K.
Superior products with superior performance have always been costly.
It's a price worth paying.
Value\performance is for the people that would buy the best available in a second..... If they could.
It's a price worth paying.
Value\performance is for the people that would buy the best available in a second..... If they could.
MarcusNumb
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7600x and 5700x3D suddenly became best bang for buck thanks to scalpers. I'll keep waiting
Thank you for that link. It tells me exactly what I was looking for. Even though Hardware Unboxed says that the 4k results are useless, they were very relevant to me. I guess I'm coming from more of a resolution scaling/bottlenecking stance. And that answers questions about what someone might get from upgrading their CPU, in many instances a faster CPU gets you nothing at 4k.
Shirley Dulcey
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Except for one very brief period, AMD's G series APUs (which are essentially laptop chips in a desktop package, with a slightly higher power limit) have always been about scenarios where you are going to use the integrated graphics. If you're building a computer primarily for office-type stuff or web browsing but want to be able to play some light games, they can make sense. They are also good for home theater PCs, where you want a compact system and you don't want a power hungry graphics card because it will make too much noise.
If AMD decides to produce desktop versions of the Strix Point APUs, those could extend the use case for them a lot farther. Those chips are approaching the graphics performance of a low to midrange discrete GPU, so they could be an attractive alternative to a separate CPU and GPU. The downside will be that you'll have fewer upgrade options; you can't upgrade the compute power or the graphics separately.
If AMD decides to produce desktop versions of the Strix Point APUs, those could extend the use case for them a lot farther. Those chips are approaching the graphics performance of a low to midrange discrete GPU, so they could be an attractive alternative to a separate CPU and GPU. The downside will be that you'll have fewer upgrade options; you can't upgrade the compute power or the graphics separately.
Axeia
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There are mini PCs that use them, but yeah I don't think they'll release anything like it as AM5 compatible.
Imo they should put much more effort in trying to sell SOCs in laptops, completely sidelines NVIDIA (no x86 license so they can't do the same). Makes it a lot harder for ARM to try and gain market share, a lot of power savings can be made and x86's minor need for more power is offset by being compatible with everything. Hell they might even steal some customers from Apple (those that would like to run games)
GTvon
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Intel has addressed 5 issues that were causing their latest processor to provide significantly lower performance than they are capable of. I reset my interconnect clocks to a higher setting and that alone got 30% better performance on the games o play and that was without these 5 other fixes being in place yet. A mark train once said the rumors of (intels UC 2**) death have been greatly exaggerated.
Missing PPM Package: "Intel incorrectly scheduled this Windows Update package for user/retail availability, not reviewer availability." — Resolved in Windows 11 build 26100.2161
Intel APO Could Not Take Effect: "The missing Intel PPM placed the processor into an aberrant state where APO could not take effect." — Resolved in Windows 11 build 26100.2161
BSOD When Launching Easy Anti-Cheat Titles: "A known issue between Windows 11 24H2 and the April 2024 (or older) Easy Anti-Cheat driver bundled with PC games." — Resolved via an updated Epic Games Easy Anti-Cheat driver.
Select Performance Settings Misconfigured in Reviewer BIOSes: "Consistency of VIP settings not sufficiently re-validated or enforced by Intel." — Resolved in BIOS updates for Z890 motherboards.
New BIOS Performance Optimizations: "Intel has additionally identified a small selection of performance optimizations that are recently developed, or were not ready for the motherboard BIOS images released thus far." — Unresolved but expected to be fixed via BIOS update in January 2025.
It's time to do some new reviews it seems.
Missing PPM Package: "Intel incorrectly scheduled this Windows Update package for user/retail availability, not reviewer availability." — Resolved in Windows 11 build 26100.2161
Intel APO Could Not Take Effect: "The missing Intel PPM placed the processor into an aberrant state where APO could not take effect." — Resolved in Windows 11 build 26100.2161
BSOD When Launching Easy Anti-Cheat Titles: "A known issue between Windows 11 24H2 and the April 2024 (or older) Easy Anti-Cheat driver bundled with PC games." — Resolved via an updated Epic Games Easy Anti-Cheat driver.
Select Performance Settings Misconfigured in Reviewer BIOSes: "Consistency of VIP settings not sufficiently re-validated or enforced by Intel." — Resolved in BIOS updates for Z890 motherboards.
New BIOS Performance Optimizations: "Intel has additionally identified a small selection of performance optimizations that are recently developed, or were not ready for the motherboard BIOS images released thus far." — Unresolved but expected to be fixed via BIOS update in January 2025.
It's time to do some new reviews it seems.
Shirley Dulcey
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AMD did release the 8000G series, which is the previous generation version of what I suggested they might do. So it's not a given that we won't see an AM5 version.
Would have really liked to see a 7600X3D on the comparison. It never seems to make the list.
*with the GPU they're currently using*
When you upgrade your GPU in a couple years, you *will* see a difference then, that was the point of the video.
But if you want to be shortsighted and have to upgrade both your CPU and GPU in a couple years because you don't understand how CPU testing works, that's on you. Just don't claim to be a good source of upgrade advice.
Exactly - "with the GPU they are currently using".
How hard is it to understand that I was trying to look at the numbers and try to use it as CPU/resolution scaling barometer? I've already said this.
I understand this was just a CPU performance article, that's not lost on me, but 4k settings would have been very helpful and painted a different picture for someone wondering if a CPU upgrade would help performance. To just show 1080p is only part of the story.
Belive it or not, Techspot or Hardware Unboxed are not the arbiters of what's important and what's not to every person. Even though in the video Steve seems to think that way.
But again, the purpose of this article was not scaling/resolution/bottlenecking. So I do realize that I was looking for something out of the scope of the article. So that's on me.
I assume that's because it's only available at one retailer in one country, so it's not available to most people. I'd love to get one, especially since the 7800X3D is currently selling at MSRP where I live, which makes it a terrible deal.
Atmajaya2020
Posts: 213 +139
I agree with you..
some tests with 1440p or 4K resolution will tell a different story for some people when upgrading their cpu..
cpu will be clearly segmented when in 1080p resolution, but in other resolutions (4K) cpu will be less segmented..
and since I use 4K tv then this result doesn't help me much..
I think this review would have been better made after CES because a bunch of CPUs will be announced then. I'm still hoping there might be some value offering, like a Core 3 Arrow Lake or a 9500F. Almost 3 years ago I upgraded to a H610M and a i3-12100 as a stopgap, fully intending to replace them as soon as a newer CPU with better price/performance became available. I'm stunned that there aren't any yet.
That video is pointless. The comments pretty much have it covered. Who titles their video "4k gaming" and proceeds to not do any tests at 4k? And then he calls those that merely want to see 4k testing a vocal minority. Steve has to be the most arrogant reviewer I came across.
https://www.techspot.com/community/...faster-for-real-world-4k-gaming.289202/page-3
I had a 4k screen for years now and this is clearly not the site that can show me fps. Easy solution for everyone is to go to another site to see 4k testing.
jpvalverde85
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Intel could have released an alder lake 8 p-core no e-cores, no bs, avx-512 enabled and still be relevant in gaming (like an upgraded i7-9700 but with smt), yet they choose to shove everybody with e-cores
E-cores are here to stay, and that’s a good thing.
There would be no reason to buy Intel without E-cores. They’re the lifeline for today’s terrible Intel CPUs. They take up barely any die space and consume a fraction of the energy. They’re an effective way for Intel to boost MT performance past the competing AMD offering. Otherwise there would be no real advantage in ST or MT, meaning it would come down to efficiency and thermals, which Intel sorely loses in and has lost in ever since Ryzen launched.
I thought it had more to do with the fact that the 3D cache is directly connected to only one of the two CCXs. Any cores on the other CCX that are in use during gaming have a latency disadvantage.
christiangeli
Posts: 80 +59
Where a ryzen 5600x
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