PC gaming gets a boost with Intel's Arc B580, a $250 GPU that beats the RTX 4060 and RX 7600. Featuring 12GB VRAM, Xe2 architecture, and built for 1440p gaming, it's a game-changer for budget setups.
Intel Arc B580 Review: Best Value GPU
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yRaz
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Lets hope they fixed their Vulkan support problem in Linux. It'll alsp be interesting to see if most of the excitement in the GPU space this generation is at the low end instead of the high end.
I don't think Intel will back down on the dGPU side, especially with Pat leaving and their ARC graphics being used in their iGPUs. With AI becoming the norm, having some type of accelerator that isn't just on the CPU will become important. If they can get power levels down, it'll be interesting to see how they can use this in laptops and handhelds. MSI Claw was really only a flop because of driver issues and it seems like they have *Mostly* sorted that out.
But please, for the love of God, fix Vulkan support on Linux. We still have zero answers as to why they stopped supporting it back in March. You can use older drivers, but they are way less stable. I only have ARC in my laptop, but it'd be nice to play PoE or some of my other steam games when I'm stuck in a hotel or on the road for a few days.
I don't think Intel will back down on the dGPU side, especially with Pat leaving and their ARC graphics being used in their iGPUs. With AI becoming the norm, having some type of accelerator that isn't just on the CPU will become important. If they can get power levels down, it'll be interesting to see how they can use this in laptops and handhelds. MSI Claw was really only a flop because of driver issues and it seems like they have *Mostly* sorted that out.
But please, for the love of God, fix Vulkan support on Linux. We still have zero answers as to why they stopped supporting it back in March. You can use older drivers, but they are way less stable. I only have ARC in my laptop, but it'd be nice to play PoE or some of my other steam games when I'm stuck in a hotel or on the road for a few days.
n3o127
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Good review, like seeing 1440p and rays done like this. Hard to believe $250 card these days is possible to perform as well as it (B580) did -- Love to see both a B770 and bigger yet B780. I was surprised to see B580 top the A770 as it did.
This is not enough to make nVidia adjust, but AMD on the other hand, lets them see how price effective the next gen will be -- the interesting part, will AMD choose the middle ground and let Intel be value price leader, or look to match Intel's price points leaving nVidia at the premium price point(s).
This is not enough to make nVidia adjust, but AMD on the other hand, lets them see how price effective the next gen will be -- the interesting part, will AMD choose the middle ground and let Intel be value price leader, or look to match Intel's price points leaving nVidia at the premium price point(s).
Main problem is that Intel is competing with price. B580 is cheaper than 7600 despite using more expensive node, having 50% more memory and die size is also almost 25% bigger. Basically Intel is selling on loss assuming AMD makes small profit from 7600.
brucek
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Billybobjoey
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Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised at the 1440p performance for a $250 card. Turn down a few settings from max and/or add in a Quality preset upscaler and you could pretty easily get above 60 in a lot of the benchmarked games. Not too surprised at the ray tracing performance, but it is nice to see it getting above 30 in both resolution averages.
I don't get to say this too often anymore, but good job Intel! Now as long as the division sticks around, I think there's some competition in the low-medium end again.
I don't get to say this too often anymore, but good job Intel! Now as long as the division sticks around, I think there's some competition in the low-medium end again.
Exactly, I keep hearing people say “but I don’t care if they make a profit”, you should. A business that loses money is not a good business when the company is already short on cash with greater liabilities then liquidity. This is great for consumers in the short term but it’s just not feasible for intel to sell graphics cards with the same production cost as what NVIDIA and amd Sell for 3x the price.
The real problems is the stability and the driver support. I am not sure I would trust using this because of stability concerns no matter if it is 10% faster than a 7600XT.
MarcusNumb
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So it's quite loud and clear that the market is divided heavily:
Entry level GPU - Intel
Mid range GPU - AMD
High end GPU - NVIDIA
With this jump from gen to gen, the competition between Intel and AMD will be much more interesting than that between NVIDIA and AMD. Hopefully both AMD and Intel will get their drivers right at the beginning, not 6 months after. Personally I'm still longing for the 8800xt
Entry level GPU - Intel
Mid range GPU - AMD
High end GPU - NVIDIA
With this jump from gen to gen, the competition between Intel and AMD will be much more interesting than that between NVIDIA and AMD. Hopefully both AMD and Intel will get their drivers right at the beginning, not 6 months after. Personally I'm still longing for the 8800xt
If you take into account that a PS5 is about the same as a 7600XT, and the PS5 Pro about a 4070...
Then I can't recommend any GPUs in the same price range. Just buy a console. The games will, at least, be optimized for the hardware, unlike the mess that became PC gaming.
Then I can't recommend any GPUs in the same price range. Just buy a console. The games will, at least, be optimized for the hardware, unlike the mess that became PC gaming.
adaplect
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Hoo-rah for Intel! And to think there were rumors about them ending their GPU division. How the tables have turned: now it looks like GPUs are the only Intel product worth buying apart from their NICs. We're rapidly approaching the point where Intel graphics are superior to AMD's (I'd argue we have been there for a while). Which is ironic, given the vastly different amount of effort the two have put into their GPU capabilities over the past 2 decades.
One can only hope AMD ups the ante, and that Intel release a B590 sku to challenge the midrange (it is slightly concerning Intel consider this sku an x80), because it's not like nVidia is going to move the needle much in consumer GPU performance since they have no real motivation to do so at this point.
If gaming is the only thing you're doing, maybe. Personally I wouldn't give up the ability to easily mod or opt against having a multi-purpose machine which will also have a far longer usable life.
One can only hope AMD ups the ante, and that Intel release a B590 sku to challenge the midrange (it is slightly concerning Intel consider this sku an x80), because it's not like nVidia is going to move the needle much in consumer GPU performance since they have no real motivation to do so at this point.
If gaming is the only thing you're doing, maybe. Personally I wouldn't give up the ability to easily mod or opt against having a multi-purpose machine which will also have a far longer usable life.
Theinsanegamer
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They're not. Console releases have plenty of performance issues, look at the sheer number that cannot maintain 30 FPS on the PS5.
"muh optimization" is total BS. The 4060 and B580 outperform the PS5 across the board, and have access to far larger software libraries with significantly more freedom. The PS5 isnt running anything at native 1400p, let alone native 1440p high settings newer 60 FPS.
This is a very good result overall. I am happy to see something at $250 worth buying. I might replace an RX 580 I have in an older PC with this next year sometime, but first I would like to see what the B770 has to offer, assuming one is on the way. If it was $350, but gave the 4070 a run for its money, that would be awesome and it looks like Intel could do it.
VariableSpike
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Looks pretty good, however, that seems to mainly be a function of price and that Intel seems to be going for the "lets get some market share even if margins are slim" route, not a bad card though, although drivers have been an Ibtel issue of the past, so that remains to be seen as to how that pans out, and issues like Intel removing Vulkan on Linux for some reason mean I still don't have confidence in them doing things right, but hopefully it will push AMD and possibly Nvidia (I doubt it for Nvidia since it basically runs the faming division how it likes at this point with how much they are raking in from datancentres) to be more reasonable and competitive with prices
poshflamingos
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The PS5 is about the same as the 6600 XT, not the 7600 XT.
And the PS5 Pro is nowhere remotely near a RTX 4070. The Pro is only around 30% faster than the base PS5 on average, as per Digital Foundry tests, while the 4070 is close to twice as fast as the base PS5.
Everyone needs to pay attention to GamersNexus' video because it shows the B580s' 0.1% lows @ 1080p are basically 1/2 the fps compared to the cards it's competing against in too many cases imo. Having 10 more frames than a 4060 while having literally half the frames in the 0.1 % lows means this card is going to feel like trash moreoften than the 4060 while still drawing 100 more watts of power lol.
I'm exaggerating/underexaggerating a little here obviously but watch the video. This card is a $250 200 watt x8 stutter monster.
I'm exaggerating/underexaggerating a little here obviously but watch the video. This card is a $250 200 watt x8 stutter monster.
Absolutely, this was where I was going with this. You are better investing in a good laptop and a console IMO then having a subpar PC that will cost you about the same anyway.
Well, they did that for the XT and the XTX...
PS5 is around a 6700XT, so no, the 7600XT is pretty accurate pal.
And no, in the worst case scenario, the Pro is 40% faster with RT.
40% over a 6700XT is a bit above the 4070 non SUPER. So no, I am not off.
GodisanAtheist
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Ok folks, time to update the mantra:
I really want Intel to bring better price performance to the table and increase competition so I can get my Nvidia card for less money.
I really want Intel to bring better price performance to the table and increase competition so I can get my Nvidia card for less money.
Xander3600
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Intel is losing money on these at this price, so I wouldn't expect these to be very easy to find for 250, if at all.
poshflamingos
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You literally made up all of this, this is complete nonsense.
In this video you can see that, with the exception of The Last of Us 2 which has a notoriously bad PC port, the RX 6700 (not even the XT version, the 10 GB non-XT one) outperforms the PS5 across the board. The PS5 is a step below that, meaning it matches RX 6600 XT and RX 7600 levels of GPU performance.
This other video is just one example of the many PS5 Pro tests they have done recently which shows the Pro being at best only 29% faster than the base PS5 and most of the time less than that (in performance mode with framerates unlocked, where the base resolution is the same for both consoles, 1440p), despite TLOU 2 being a first-party Sony title.
Here is another video by a different channel comparing Hogwarts Legacy on the base and Pro consoles with the same mode (base quality mode with unlocked framerates), and you can see the advantage the Pro has ranges from 20% to 30% depending on the scene.
Are you not ashamed of making comments like this? Why would you just make stuff up like that when we have tests and video evidence that readily prove you wrong?
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