Microsoft will let consumers purchase security updates for Windows 10 after its end of life, but only for a single year

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In brief: We're less than one year away from Windows 10's end-of-life date. Microsoft has already revealed how much businesses will have to pay if they want to continue receiving official support after October 14, 2025. Now, the company has announced that customers will also be able to purchase Extended Security Updates (ESU) for $30 for one year, with no option to continue beyond that period.

With Windows 10, Microsoft is allowing both consumers and businesses to enroll in its ESU program. The Redmond giant revealed in April that enterprise and education customers will be able to pay $61 per device for the first year of ESUs, $122 for the second year, and $244 in the third – doubling every year.

For the first time ever, Microsoft is also introducing ESUs for personal use. It will cost users $30 to continue receiving Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10 after the October 14 date. However, consumers will only be eligible to receive a single year of these updates. Microsoft notes that new features, bug fixes, and technical support will not be included in the program.

Microsoft is likely making the ESUs available to consumers due to Windows 10's enduring popularity. It was still the most commonly used OS among Steam survey participants in September, having retaken the lead from Windows 11 with a 48.6% share. Globally, Windows 10's 61% share is around 25% higher than its predecessor, though Windows 11 has been making gains recently.

Microsoft will reveal details on how consumers can enroll in the ESU program next year, closer to Windows 10's end-of-support date.

Microsoft also wrote that Microsoft Defender Antivirus in Windows 10 would continue to get new definitions updates through at least October 2028.

Microsoft would rather people move to Windows 11 rather than paying for ESUs – the announcement post is called 'How to prepare for Windows 10 end of support by moving to Windows 11.' It goes into detail about the benefits of Windows 11 and how to check if your PC can run the latest version.

Those hardware demands are one of the big reasons why Windows 11 adoption has been slow. The OS' requirements include support for TPM 2.0 security chips, meaning it can't run on older machines. There are workarounds, of course, such as the recent Flyby11 tool that bypasses these restrictions.

In June, 0patch, a "microscopic" patching solution for Windows and other software products, announced its plan to support Windows 10 22H2, offering in-memory micropatches for at least five years.

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Microsoft will let consumers purchase security updates for Windows 10 after its end of life, but only for a single year

 
0patch offers a better upgrade experience. They've always patched severe issues faster and more completely than Microsoft. I currently use the free version to get zero day vulnerabilities patched right away. Eventually, Microsoft patches take precedence, when they're finally released. If you have to use Windows 10, you can with five more years of patches.
 
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Seriously, why would I want to pay money for running MSWin10????? It's a horrible OS as well.

Moving from MSWin10 to MSWin11 is going from BAD to WORSE. Kind of like going from Je Biden to Commie-La Harris.
 
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Thought there was some enterprising person / company out there that was offering a subscription service for all future patch's??? Not that I'm worried, but I thought I read that on here awhile back .....
 
Uncle Al said:
Thought there was some enterprising person / company out there that was offering a subscription service for all future patch's??? Not that I'm worried, but I thought I read that on here awhile back .....
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There is. It's called 0patch. Seems to offer better support too (up to 5 years).
 
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0patch offers a better upgrade experience. They've always patched severe issues faster and more completely than Microsoft. I currently use the free version to get zero day vulnerabilities patched right away. Eventually, Microsoft patches take precedence, when they're finally released. If you have to use Windows 10, you can with five more years of patches.
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0 day vunerability "patches" that the FREE iteration of this software implemement isn't going to do anything for an EoL OS. You're going to have to pay 0patch a fee as well if you want a fully patched operating system after the operating system isn't supported by microsoft anymore. There's a free "enterprise" trial or something in the software BTW that'll unlock the full version of 0patch for a month.

The free version of this software is perfectly fine for both windows 10 and 11 RIGHT NOW since it's patching 0 day stuff until microsoft picks up the slack and if you read about how 0patch patches the vulnerabilities you'll realize its not actually a patch, it's modifying said vulnerable process' memory, which takes time and leaves your system open to attack before the "patching" happens. An actual patch by microsoft actually fixes the vulnerable code itself on a permanent level.

This software is kinda like a VPN. It adds a layer of protection that really isn't protection if people know what they're doing.
 
DukeJukem said:
0 day vunerability "patches" that the FREE iteration of this software implemement isn't going to do anything for an EoL OS. You're going to have to pay 0patch a fee as well if you want a fully patched operating system after the operating system isn't supported by microsoft anymore. There's a free "enterprise" trial or something in the software BTW that'll unlock the full version of 0patch for a month.

The free version of this software is perfectly fine for both windows 10 and 11 RIGHT NOW since it's patching 0 day stuff until microsoft picks up the slack and if you read about how 0patch patches the vulnerabilities you'll realize its not actually a patch, it's modifying said vulnerable process' memory, which takes time and leaves your system open to attack before the "patching" happens. An actual patch by microsoft actually fixes the vulnerable code itself on a permanent level.

This software is kinda like a VPN. It adds a layer of protection that really isn't protection if people know what they're doing.
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This reads like you've never used 0patch and are providing assumptions as facts. I've used it for six years. I suggest you read their information in detail.
 
The $30 offer is an interesting hedge. When Microsoft is sued for losses caused in part by defects in their product, being able to say it is the customer's fault for not paying $30 will sound a lot more reasonable than claiming it was the customer's fault for not throwing out an otherwise perfectly good computer. This buys them a year of a semi-defensible position during which they can evaluate what is happening both with consumer behavior in replacing PCs, and in the economic impact of large numbers of completely unprotected devices.

Personally, I think they are still being grossly negligent, and I hope our legal and/or judicial frameworks get around to making that point to them.

(Of course technically savvy users have plenty of options, but in the real world, the mainstream case is probably going to be the devices keep being used as they were.)
 
Get a ISO of Windows LTSC and activate using "Microsoft Activation Scripts" (GOOGLE THIS)

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021: Mainstream support ends on January 12, 2027
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021: Extended support ends on January 13, 2032
Windows 10 LTSC 2019 edition: Extended support ends on January 9, 2029
 
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Loadedaxe said:
Remember when MS said Windows 10 was the last version?
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Indeed. Nothing this awful company, says is worth SH..
Seeing as I can't imagine people paying $30 for one year of security updates, I suspect at the last moment they will extend support as they did with XP and 7.

If people are still using W10 by Oct 2025, MS will be obliged to continue critical security updates regardless.
If a serious threat arises after that date, which can be patched on W10, they will offer it. Otherwise they will be accused, rightly so, of allowing some kind of Malware to spread. They know it, but won't say until around official end of life.

One more thing. Remote seems to be the biggest security risk with frequent patches. I never use remote and have that port (3389) blocked. With no remote, and decent 3rd party anti malware for people at home behind a decent router W10 wont' suddenly become "dangerous," after official end of life.

I'll change when I change PC, which will be after 2025.
 
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Loadedaxe said:
Remember when MS said Windows 10 was the last version?
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Mark Fuller said:
And now they've said that 12 will be the last.
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They'll kill it off through bloat ware at the rate they're going. Market share down to 70%, and dropping, makes one wonder why they're doing.
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OK Kidz, listen up. M$ has taken the stance that M$, (as a corporate entity), never said that. I think the article is here somewhere on TS. What they're now saying is, that a software engineer or someone else down the ladder, opined that, it somehow, "escaped into the wild", and they never bothered to refute the claim. Which means that it's being labeled, "as an unfortunate, unauthorized, slip of the tongue". Which amounts to providing themselves with the cover of, "plausible deniability".

Yes Mark, that may have "slipped out" as well. However, in the case of "Windows 12" it may well be true, but for an entirely different reason. My suspicions are that Windows 12 will be a subscription offering. Or, they may attempt to make Windows into a marketing clone of Apple's OS strategy, where the new version is only 25 bucks or thereabouts. In which case you might run into "Windows 12.1, Windows 12.2, and so forth". They have been incrementally nudging Windows toward a "walled garden approach," similar to Apple's. The thing is, they were quite blatant about that with "Windows Defender". I mean, if you want to lure people away from 3rd party AV solutions, while preaching "security" as a major factor toward the necessity of adopting Windows 10 (**), then Defender has to be better than Norton or whomever's product. Window 10's Defender was the first M$ security solution to be, (allegedly), ranked at the top of the heap. Or they paid reviewers to say so. Which is not entirely out of the question.

Windows 10 will now burn ISOs. Which means you no longer need 3rd party solutions to do it. And those walls keep closing in, a little at a time.

Windows 11 "advanced hardware requirements" can be nothing but collusion between M$ and hardware makers. Desktop PC sales were falling, or "dwindling" if you prefer. What better way to boost sales, than to render what you already have, (and are quite happy with), "artificially obsolete".

All of this is the same sh!t that came back to haunt Intel with their 13xxx & 14xxx CPUs. Wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the wall during those discussions? "It's getting close to back to school time, AMD is catching up, we have to have something "new" to foist off on, "the tourists". (Maybe we could just renumber the lids on our best bins).

BTW seeprime, the bloat you speak of, is easily disguised with a bunch of AI features, that everybody hysterically wants, but very few actually need. OTOH, it it can write your term paper for for you, what's the harm? :rolleyes: (Let's keep that a secret though).

(**) In addition to basically ramming it down people's throats
 
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"Windows 11 "advanced hardware requirements" can be nothing but collusion between M$ and hardware makers. Desktop PC sales were falling, or "dwindling" if you prefer. What better way to boost sales, than to render what you already have, (and are quite happy with), "artificially obsolete".


Too bad for M$ and hardware manufacturers, that there are millions of machines out there that require no networking at all to the internet or are on a LAN and continue to do the job that they were put there to do (ATMs, grocery store chains and some chicken plants still use wxp). If it ain't broke don't fix it. Some of the machines that won't upgrade will of course be relegated to those roles before businesses spend money on new hardware.
 
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OK Kidz, listen up. M$ has taken the stance that M$, (as a corporate entity), never said that. I think the article is here somewhere on TS. What they're now saying is, that a software engineer or someone else down the ladder, opined that, it somehow, "escaped into the wild", and they never bothered to refute the claim. Which means that it's being labeled, "as an unfortunate, unauthorized, slip of the tongue". Which amounts to providing themselves with the cover of, "plausible deniability".
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Im sure we all know that, I was being facetious, the guy that said it in a press release was Jerry Nixon
 
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Too bad for M$ and hardware manufacturers, that there are millions of machines out there that require no networking at all to the internet or are on a LAN and continue to do the job that they were put there to do (ATMs, grocery store chains and some chicken plants still use wxp). If it ain't broke don't fix it. Some of the machines that won't upgrade will of course be relegated to those roles before businesses spend money on new hardware.
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Well Mr. Fuller, I can't fault your logic and reasoning one bit.

However, I'm admittedly not much in the way of a "tech-spurt". I'm pretty much a flop in that capacity. What does that 3 letter acronym stand for" WTF does it so anyway? Dunno, and to a certain extent, don't care. I'm more interested in the liberal arts, sociology, behavioralism, amateur psychology, and the like. I like to differentiate between, what was said, to what was meant, and what was implied. You know, dumb stuff that pretty much anybody can do.
I like to gauge people's susceptibility to propaganda. I like to apply "folk wisdom", adages, proverbs, and the like in metaphorical contexts. (I think we call that old silliness "memes" these days).

New versions of Windows and the tactics employed to market them fascinate me. Like when M$ says something in relation to a mediocre adoption rate to Windows It's software engineers, proud of their work are thinking, "and after all we did for them". While Satan Nadella is thinking, "but I slaved trying to take every penny off them I possibly could or even had. I'll have to ram in down their throats harder the next time". Meanwhile, the users are thinking, "we have to pay for this crap" It should be open source". So um, "never the twain shall meet". So how nicely that fits?

In a more technical vein, XP was indeed so good, that M$ got jacked up having to support it through three service packs. Trust me, they're never going to let that happen again.

The transition from 7 to 10 was even more fascinating The greedy had to have because it was "free". The status seekers had to have it, just to have it first . Those most susceptible to propaganda, had to have it because M$ honed in on their insecurities.They walked around biting their nails, "knowing full well", that if they stayed with 7, their PCs were likely to be hacked in mere seconds, had they not jumped on the 10 bandwagon. (And trust me, there were plenty of that stereotype here at the time). And the middle of the road crowd had to have it because they foolishly jumped on Win 8, and it really sucked. Goddammit, it's about time M$ compensated me for that steaming pile of crap 8. So, they felt, nay knew, they were entitled to 10. (Although those that did adopt 8 were quite adept at justifying it, to the extent even of praising it).

M$ had to do something, since Win 7 was so good, there was a clear and present danger of getting bogged down with it, as they did with XP. With 10, they bribed the gamers with DX-12. They gave it at least an half hearted face lift, to entice those still attracted to 7's siren's charm. And they called "computer", "this computer", in an attempt to give it it's own identity, while not alienating others who might not be the primary user or the administrator.

Trust me, I know I'm full of sh!t. But, OTOH, I"m not too far away from right.

Windows 11 seems to be adhering to another old parable. "M$ cast its seed on fertile ground and it bore fruit. But some of its seed fell on stony ground and withered" Oh well, sh!t happens. "You can't hit a home run every time". So you missed a few billion on this round, you still got plenty more than you started out with.

Adoptions of Windows editions seem to follow another old adage, "you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time". M$ is the apex predator of the software world. But even apex predators don't always catch everything that they chase. I can only imagine how badly that must grate on Mr. Nadella's nerves. No billion dollar bonus for you this time Buster. (Meh, he'll probably get one anyway).

If I didn't boor you to death, and you're still with me cheers,,,, Cheers
 
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Well Mr. Fuller, I can't fault your logic and reasoning one bit.

However, I'm admittedly not much in the way of a "tech-spurt". I'm pretty much a flop in that capacity. What does that 3 letter acronym stand for" WTF does it so anyway? Dunno, and to a certain extent, don't care. I'm more interested in the liberal arts, sociology, behavioralism, amateur psychology, and the like. I like to differentiate between, what was said, to what was meant, and what was implied. You know, dumb stuff that pretty much anybody can do.
I like to gauge people's susceptibility to propaganda. I like to apply "folk wisdom", adages, proverbs, and the like in metaphorical contexts. (I think we call that old silliness "memes" these days).

New versions of Windows and the tactics employed to market them fascinate me. Like when M$ says something in relation to a mediocre adoption rate to Windows It's software engineers, proud of their work are thinking, "and after all we did for them". While Satan Nadella is thinking, "but I slaved trying to take every penny off them I possibly could or even had. I'll have to ram in down their throats harder the next time". Meanwhile, the users are thinking, "we have to pay for this crap" It should be open source". So um, "never the twain shall meet". So how nicely that fits?

In a more technical vein, XP was indeed so good, that M$ got jacked up having to support it through three service packs. Trust me, they're never going to let that happen again.

The transition from 7 to 10 was even more fascinating The greedy had to have because it was "free". The status seekers had to have it, just to have it first . Those most susceptible to propaganda, had to have it because M$ honed in on their insecurities.They walked around biting their nails, "knowing full well", that if they stayed with 7, their PCs were likely to be hacked in mere seconds, had they not jumped on the 10 bandwagon. (And trust me, there were plenty of that stereotype here at the time). And the middle of the road crowd had to have it because they foolishly jumped on Win 8, and it really sucked. Goddammit, it's about time M$ compensated me for that steaming pile of crap 8. So, they felt, nay knew, they were entitled to 10. (Although those that did adopt 8 were quite adept at justifying it, to the extent even of praising it).

M$ had to do something, since Win 7 was so good, there was a clear and present danger of getting bogged down with it, as they did with XP. With 10, they bribed the gamers with DX-12. They gave it at least an half hearted face lift, to entice those still attracted to 7's siren's charm. And they called "computer", "this computer", in an attempt to give it it's own identity, while not alienating others who might not be the primary user or the administrator.

Trust me, I know I'm full of sh!t. But, OTOH, I"m not too far away from right.

Windows 11 seems to be adhering to another old parable. "M$ cast its seed on fertile ground and it bore fruit. But some of its seed fell on stony ground and withered" Oh well, sh!t happens. "You can't hit a home run every time". So you missed a few billion on this round, you still got plenty more than you started out with.

Adoptions of Windows editions seem to follow another old adage, "you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time". M$ is the apex predator of the software world. But even apex predators don't always catch everything that they chase. I can only imagine how badly that must grate on Mr. Nadella's nerves. No billion dollar bonus for you this time Buster. (Meh, he'll probably get one anyway).

If I didn't boor you to death, and you're still with me cheers,,,, Cheers
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"Missed a few billion". Nicely done.
 
Loadedaxe said:
Im sure we all know that, I was being facetious, the guy that said it in a press release was Jerry Nixon
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Do we? There were a few members here who seemed to buy into the idea. Admittedly, I was ambivalent about the OS in its entirety. It didn't seem plausible, or did I? The nag screen people were getting all to frequently, the idea that each "update" was to be pretty much a full reinstall, were warning signs of out an out nonsense and annoying, senseless paradigm, to be avoided.

The fact that M$ brought in an Indian businessman as CEO was the deal breaker. , "final straw" as it were. I'm not racist, but I had previously tried to do business with some Indian tourists on the sales floor, (stereo gear), and it was simply an unpleasant experience overall. Haggle, haggle, and then haggle some more. I was at 10% over cost when I gave up, told them that's as low as it goes, I'm going across the way for a coffee, you either want it, or you don't, and they could pretty much pound sand.

It was at that point some little 17 YO tw*t cashier ratted me out for being "disrespectful". Well, they came back and bought it. So, I guess they didn't fare any better on price in any other store in the area. I took the opportunity to stand there while she rang it up, saying, "oh BTW, those were the customers you dimed me out for being "disrespectful to".

I understand enough about India's overpopulation, extremely competitive job market, marginal GDP, and workers from there coming over here taking American jobs while being paid half the money that the workers who were forced to train them did, Who then lost those jobs to them for their efforts. <(this paragraph is not an exaggeration on my part, but rather national news, as virtually an entire episode of "60 minutes" was dedicated to it). When asked if they knew this was going to happen, answered, "oh no we wouldn't have come if we had". I of course ran directly to my front door to look for the flying pigs.

So, IMHO, Satan Nadella is nothing more than a glorified H1-B. An extra ruthless, extra cunning, and extremely aggressive H1-B, along with being someone I'll not bend a knee to, ever.
 
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