ViewSonic to unveil 1440p OLED gaming monitor with 520Hz refresh rate at CES 2025

I don't even want to know what that will cost.

As I get older my reactions are the main handicap to competative online gaming. No amount of Hz is going compensate. On a brighter note at least I can make do with a lower refresh monitor and cheaper GPU.... 520 Hz..... only way my PC can get close is on Counter strike 2 at 240p.....

godrilla said:

560 hz same time next year rinse repeat until we get to 1000 hz.
I wonder why the industry is so allergic to dp2.1 though.

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Has to do with the HDMI licensing association. They heavily regulate how and where HDMI can be used. The most annoying example is that they forbid the use of DP alongside HDMI in smart TVs. Another example of their over regulation is that you cannot get open-source drivers with HDMI 4k120 support. You can get open-source drivers from AMD and nVidia for Linux, but they don't support 4k120. They both make closed source drivers that DO support the standard.

But, yeah, your observation is 100% accurate and it is the HDMI LA's fault. The HDMILA is almost entirely funded by the RIAA and other copyright lobbies and they use the DMCA to control how and what can be sent over HDMI. For example, ever wonder why HDR movies you download don't look the same as they do through the blue ray player? An HDMI certified display won't be able to properly display HDR content from a PC. So getting an HTPC with modern TVs with all the bells and whistles is very difficult. This is also why you don't see display ports on BlueRay players. Displayport doesn't have the same DRM as HDMI.

The HDMI LA is worried about people "syphoning" the signal from an HDMI port to pirate media so there are a lot more handshakes going on between devices over HDMI.

Oh, here is a fun one. The Full Array Local Dimming on my Samsung TV doesn't work when connected to a PC because of the stupid standards that the HDMI LA enforce.

Years ago I noted there was no technical reason preventing OLEDs from reaching greater then 120Hz.

Fast forward two years and they're now as fast as TNs.

gamerk2 said:

Years ago I noted there was no technical reason preventing OLEDs from reaching greater then 120Hz.

Fast forward two years and they're now as fast as TNs.

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It would shorten the lifespan of OLED and they would dim rapidly. This is basically a non-issue these days and I'm sure we will see 1Khz OLEDs within the next 5 years. 500hz is already getting kind of silly, but I don't think there will be any point going past 1khz. at 500hz we're already at the point where latency between the moment the image is rendered and when it gets processed by the display, then rendered, is greater than the pixel transition time of the display.

yRaz said:

It would shorten the lifespan of OLED and they would dim rapidly. This is basically a non-issue these days and I'm sure we will see 1Khz OLEDs within the next 5 years. 500hz is already getting kind of silly, but I don't think there will be any point going past 1khz. at 500hz we're already at the point where latency between the moment the image is rendered and when it gets processed by the display, then rendered, is greater than the pixel transition time of the display.

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I'm pretty sure the refresh isn't stressing the OLED pixels; someone more technically inclined can tell me if I'm wrong or not.

gamerk2 said:

I'm pretty sure the refresh isn't stressing the OLED pixels; someone more technically inclined can tell me if I'm wrong or not.

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now we're bandwidth limited, I'm talking about early OLEDs when TN panels had the fastest response time out of the LCD group, OLEDS were still being criticized for being dim and 144HZ was as fast as panels could go. People forget that early OLEDS had even more problems than they have today, but suit yourself where you get your knowledge from.

But the whole concern of OLED burn in? That exists because early OLEDS were EXTREMELY sensitive and fragile. If you drove the panel too hard, made it too bright you, let it get hot or even let too much UV light from the sun hit it you WOULD damage it. People seem to forget that between approximately 2015 and 2018 that OLED being the better display tech wasn't as clear cut as it is today, they came with MANY compromises esspecially considering that they cost about 5 times what an LCD cost where as they are between 1.5-2X the cost of an entry level LCD panel.

yRaz said:

now we're bandwidth limited, I'm talking about early OLEDs when TN panels had the fastest response time out of the LCD group, OLEDS were still being criticized for being dim and 144HZ was as fast as panels could go. People forget that early OLEDS had even more problems than they have today, but suit yourself where you get your knowledge from.

But the whole concern of OLED burn in? That exists because early OLEDS were EXTREMELY sensitive and fragile. If you drove the panel too hard, made it too bright you, let it get hot or even let too much UV light from the sun hit it you WOULD damage it. People seem to forget that between approximately 2015 and 2018 that OLED being the better display tech wasn't as clear cut as it is today, they came with MANY compromises esspecially considering that they cost about 5 times what an LCD cost where as they are between 1.5-2X the cost of an entry level LCD panel.

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Oh, I'm aware. I had an LG B6P for five years and ran into a lot of the early OLED problems. I now have a LG C2 and will never go back to LCD.

But why though?

Incredible, simply incredible! A 520Hz refresh rate on the 27-inch OLED monitor? That’s always good to see companies such as ViewSonic to extend the boundaries for the gamers. There will be no doubt that the 1440p resolution will go a long way toward sharper visuals as well. I’m wondering if it will be the flexible QD-OLED like the upcoming Samsung panel. CES 2025 is going to be full of mind blowing technology – let’s see how these new monitors will handle Nvidia and AMD’s graphics cards of the near future!

godrilla said:

560 hz same time next year rinse repeat until we get to 1000 hz.
I wonder why the industry is so allergic to dp2.1 though.

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It will improve very soon when 5090 and 5080 hit. Already several DP2.1 UHBR20 monitors incoming and showcased.

There is no actual DP 2.1 consumer GPUs, so monitor makers have not been in a hurry.

Radeon 7000 is only UHBR 13.5 which is pretty much useless and you will still rely on DSC in pretty much all cases. RTX 5000 series is the first UHBR 20 certified GPUs for consumers and will kickstart DP 2.1 UHBR20 monitor sales for sure.

Gigabyte, MSI and I think Asus and AsRock have true DP 2.1 monitors coming very soon.

Felusy said:

It will improve very soon when 5090 and 5080 hit. Already several DP2.1 UHBR20 monitors incoming and showcased.

There is no actual DP 2.1 consumer GPUs, so monitor makers have not been in a hurry.

Radeon 7000 is only UHBR 13.5 which is pretty much useless and you will still rely on DSC in pretty much all cases. RTX 5000 series is the first UHBR 20 certified GPUs for consumers and will kickstart DP 2.1 UHBR20 monitor sales for sure.

Gigabyte, MSI and I think Asus and AsRock have true DP 2.1 monitors coming very soon.

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The only one available now is the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2P for $1199. MSI's version might be $500 more at $1699 yikes. I haven't seen anything yet from the other vendors but hopefully this will change by CES 2025 in a month.

godrilla said:

The only one available now is the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2P for $1199. MSI's version might be $500 more at $1699 yikes. I haven't seen anything yet from the other vendors but hopefully this will change by CES 2025 in a month.

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Yeah but price war will hopefully happen soon. I have them all on my watchlist for 2025.

I am not getting any 4K/240Hz OLED without getting UHBR20 unless it is dirt cheap in comparison.