Microsoft declares 2025 "the year of the Windows 11 refresh" in latest bid to leave Windows 10 behind

Microsoft, needs to fix that last update 24H2, which is causing all kinds of problems for many users, on Windows 11 machines, before they delve into anything else. Short attention span, I guess...
 
netman said:
"Citing IDC data, Mehdi writes that nearly 80% of businesses are planning to refresh their PC portfolio by the end of 2025, and 70% of consumers will refresh their PCs in the next two years."

Mehdi is dreaming...!
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I actually believe him. While 70% is indeed on the high side, I believe it is at least 60% looking at what people around me are saying and what I personally want to do.
 
Baldrickalpha1 said:
How about allow current PCs to update, instead of forcing them to buy new hardware?

Then you might actually get win 10 below 50%
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Any PC made since 2018 will update, you need Intel 8th gen or Ryzen 2000, all of them have TPM because it's intergrated into the cpu firmware and a bios switch turns it on. Microsoft has zero reason to have to support old hardware in the past it's caused no end of problems for them with support and testing. It's a fact that a TPM and Secureboot make your computer more secure, you can continue to use Windows 10 after end of support but that's just it its end of support, for a few more years major companies might offer updates, but like 2023 saw the end of Chrome and Steam support for 7 and 2024 killed firefox and many more apps already left with driver support gone you can expect a similar timeline for Windows 10.

I have old retro boxes going back to DOS and 3.1 on a 386 for retro gaming, but that doesn't make them viable for the modern internet or gaming.
 
candle86 said:
Any PC made since 2018 will update, you need Intel 8th gen or Ryzen 2000, all of them have TPM because it's intergrated into the cpu firmware and a bios switch turns it on. Microsoft has zero reason to have to support old hardware in the past it's caused no end of problems for them with support and testing. It's a fact that a TPM and Secureboot make your computer more secure, you can continue to use Windows 10 after end of support but that's just it its end of support, for a few more years major companies might offer updates, but like 2023 saw the end of Chrome and Steam support for 7 and 2024 killed firefox and many more apps already left with driver support gone you can expect a similar timeline for Windows 10.

I have old retro boxes going back to DOS and 3.1 on a 386 for retro gaming, but that doesn't make them viable for the modern internet or gaming.
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I've got a perfectly good pc where the only part win 11 doesn't like is my 2013 cpu.

As a gamer everything else runs perfectly fine, but windows says no, so I'm still on 10
 
DrSuess said:
It won't be, their position would be free supported ended with more than a years notice, people made the choice not pay for paid support, they chose not to upgrade. Even Linux and Apple have End of Life (EOL) for their OSes, their customers don't whine about it nearly as much as Windows customers do.
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I don't think you understand how headlines work. Did you not see how hard MS had to work to divert blame for all the windows machines that went down when that security app borked an update (I forget the company off the top of my head)?

Public perception and sentiment are only loosely based on reality twisted by media companies to fit a narrative that gets clicks and eyeballs.
 
candle86 said:
Any PC made since 2018 will update, you need Intel 8th gen or Ryzen 2000, all of them have TPM because it's intergrated into the cpu firmware and a bios switch turns it on.
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That is not entirely true. While most CPUs released since 2018 are supported, there was plenty of new hardware sold with older generation CPUs well into 2020 and even 2021 (when much of it was suddenly discontinued after the Windows 11 requirements announcement), even Microsoft was still selling unsupported hardware at the time of the Windows 11 release (which is why they backtracked and supported some 7th gen Intel CPUs). Also Ryzen 2000 support is only for desktop chips, for laptop Ryzens you need 3000 or newer.
 
ScottSoapbox said:
I don't think you understand how headlines work. Did you not see how hard MS had to work to divert blame for all the windows machines that went down when that security app borked an update (I forget the company off the top of my head)?

Public perception and sentiment are only loosely based on reality twisted by media companies to fit a narrative that gets clicks and eyeballs.
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I took it as they didn't care and still don't
 
"Windows 11 is available at a time when the world needs it most" and that "the forefront of AI innovation will be realized on Windows."
Could this be classified as fake news?
I mean, 2024 as the year for MS AI? I believe that nV company 'stole' that from them.
 
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