Still using last good windows - windows 7. They lied to their milking cows that 10 will be the last windows ever! So funny!
End of Windows 10 support this year threatens over 60% of active Windows PCs
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Starfals
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I got 0 need to use W11. I got 10, I got RTX 4090+ 7800X3D. They both work fine, maximum power. I got SSD Samsung 990 pro, works fine too. WIndows start fast, works, no bugs, no issues or slowdowns. I remove the bloatware. I customized this PC a ton, took me around 1 month. I gotta do it all over cus they want me to upgrade? No.
They don't wanna support a futuristic PC with all the bells and whistles? THE HELL? All of that is besides the fact that I just don't like how W11 looks or works. Im used to what I got now. I tried 11, before anyone asks. I didn't enjoy it 1 bit. Im much faster to work with W10 than 11.
P.s. F off Microsoft.
They don't wanna support a futuristic PC with all the bells and whistles? THE HELL? All of that is besides the fact that I just don't like how W11 looks or works. Im used to what I got now. I tried 11, before anyone asks. I didn't enjoy it 1 bit. Im much faster to work with W10 than 11.
P.s. F off Microsoft.
0patch will keep you secure until 2030 I think. Windows 10 should be fine. While you're at it, consider trying out Linux, too. It can't hurt to have more options beyond 2030.
Joey Rakas
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I envy you and your properly working search function and your much more simplistic, less bloated OS. Sadly in the work environment, Windows 10 became mandatory to be a in compliancy with General Motors & FTC standards. And sadly, we still have the same issues we have had since my career beginning; windows updates breaking functions & software and hardware communications. I liken Windows(and macOS for that matter) to that of the movie industry ; they are drying up and running out of ideas. So much that their products get worse in time. Many people speculated for years, especially in recent years, that before long we would be on a subscription based OS. Boy you and see and feel that more than ever. Anything to keep the cash cow mooing.
I think ever since Gates stepped down, Microsoft was getting worse and worse.
The best Windows was XP, then win 7 was sort of OK, and now? They all suck since win 8.
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captaincranky
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I don't know where you've been, or what experiences you've had, but compared to Windows 7, XP sucks. Now, that's not just me saying that, nor is it simply my personal opinion.
Every "poll" or random question I've ever viewed, puts win 7 at the top of the, "What's the best version of Windows ever", and Win 7 is always smack at the top, @ #1..!
A 32 bit OS, is for all intents and purposes, almost useless, even for tasks as ubiquitous as surfing the web. XP 64 bit by all accounts, was somewhat problematic. Now, if you want to screw around loading SATA drivers with a floppy drive, just so you don't have to run drives in ATA mode, by all means, stick to your guns.
Other than the fact that it was released prematurely, (in advance of drivers being developed), Vista is probably better than XP. In fact, for those OEM partners involved with pre-built machines, Vista ran pretty much flawlessly.
But yeah, you're right that from Win 8 forward, not entirely for the versions themselves, but for the corporate lying and brute force applied to put them in service, Windows sucks. Actually, since the installation of "Satan" Nadella as CEO, as a corporate identity, M$ sucks in its entirety.
Putting an Indian businessman in charge of an already existing monopoly, what could possibly go wrong there?
captaincranky
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Hard core Windows 7 user here. I do feel your pain, and I realize the massive luxury it is for a private user to be able to stick with Windows 7.
Bill Gates had his share of haters, but in retrospect, and considering the piece of sh!t running M$ now, he was practically a purring kitten. One has to wonder if Mr. Gates saw what was coming, knew that he had more money than he could ever spend, and bailed.
Good old Bill Shakespeare wrote plays covering the entire range of the human experience. Again me wondering out loud, what could ole Bill have accomplished with today's tech at his disposal? Sci-fi has been produced based on his works. Particularly "Forbidden Planet", which is loosely based on, "The Tempest". Somewhat tongue in cheek, you have to wonder if we were basically, "out of ideas", maybe five centuries ago.
I'm not a betting man, this isn't a prediction, rather merely a suspicion, but Windows 12 may be the point of inflection where, "Windows as a (subscription) service", becomes a reality.
People have to know, (in spite of themselves), that M$ has been watching Adobe's progress, (and profit margins), with their transition to an all subscription model.
Adobe has been throwing its casual users a bone, for around 2 decades with "Photoshop Elements". They try to sell it every year by adding a couple of new features**, At some point adding features becomes self defeating, because the features being added, will eventually encroach on the sales of Photoshop itself. We're at the point where we can no longer toss them a hundred bucks every so often, and "edit happily ever after". PSE has heretofore been a lifetime license' But, PSE 2025 and the companion movie editor, "Premier Elements", have had their license terms clipped to 3 years. These programs have had their DVD versions eliminated, and activation is now online only, not by serial number.
OK, so we Windows users have been thrilled by the idea that you can grab a Windows ISO, pay 20 bucks, get a license key and "compute happily after". M$ has even aided and abetted that, by steadily reducing the "punishment" for not activating. XP flat out wouldn't work without activation after 30 days. Now I think you just get sent a memo or no wallpaper.
It is somewhat inevitable that at some point the party will be over, mother M$ will shut her legs, and send us a bill for, "services rendered".
** The "new features" in PSE, are pretty much "hand me downs" from Photoshop. At some point, even the pros won't need or use all of PS's abilities. So backtracking to PSE will be removed as an option.
captaincranky
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IIRC, I read a blurb that M$ never actually said that in any official capacity. One of their programmers or engineers said it, The idea "escaped", and M$ simply didn't bother to refute it.
I think they turned it into a "plausible deniability", escape clause
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your company is very poorly managed if this is the case, any company that has half a brain would already have replaced most of their old computers, where I work we are tossing out 8th and 9th gen stuff because its reached EOL, and that stuff is Windows 11 compliant and came out 8 years ago, there is zero reason for a company to be using 9+ year old computers in an enterprise environment, its a bad investment as the warranties are long since expired, and failure rates approach unacceptable levels.
As for chrome vs edge and security it doesn't surprise me that a government is so poorly managed, they aren't yet aware Edge is actually more secure than Chrome. As for going Mac, your It department thinks its solving issues now wait till Mac, it doesn't play nice with anything, not office 365, not sharepoint, not active directory or azure, each mac is a world unto itself and will phone home to apple constantly, more so than Windows 11 does. What I will tell you is if your IT department struggles this bad, it's not a Windows 11 issue, I'm with a small company with 4 Admins, and 4 techs no security guy the admin team runs the security and we have zero issues with 2000+ deployments so far of Windows 11, our ticket load has actually decreased post migration and we were able to reduce a position.
the only other thing about this I have to say is Enthusiasts are always the worst in the IT world, I get it as I'm also one, but instead of following industry best practices that exist for a reason we argue, we look for work arounds and then when things don't work we blame everyone but ourselves, as well as make life hell for the actual IT department, one thing I do at work is make sure Enthusiast users get extra monitoring on their work systems
the only other thing about this I have to say is Enthusiasts are always the worst in the IT world, I get it as I'm also one, but instead of following industry best practices that exist for a reason we argue, we look for work arounds and then when things don't work we blame everyone but ourselves, as well as make life hell for the actual IT department, one thing I do at work is make sure Enthusiast users get extra monitoring on their work systems
Except linux is not that simple or intuitive for the average person.
Brickwizard
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Many Linux desktop distributions are just a simple to use as M$, the problem is not with Linux but one of perception and mind set. ie. those who have had their brain's washed with windows.
yeah but beggars can't be chooser.
say you have a >8 year old PC, you can either:
- install fresh windows 11 with rufus, with TPM disabled. free upgrade from windows 10.
- keep using windows 10 and still be able to run everything for the next 2 years minimum
- install one type of linux among many available distribution
- install chromeos flex instead
I simply don't know what more people want. people forget that in the old days you have to pay to upgrade to newer windows and the upgrade from Windows XP to Vista or 7 breaks so much hardware compatibility you literally have to buy new hardware.
Linux isn't as difficult as it's perceived. It's really just a matter of growing accustomed to new ways of working the OS. On the other hand; if you WANT a challenging experience Linux can offer that too. With very little searching you'll find that Linux Mint is the distribution ready for the masses.
Brickwizard
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On a machine of that age my suggestions would be
Mint LMDE6 [runs well on all machines up to 14 years]
Mint 23 [Ubuntu based a little heavier/slower] popular with home and growing with office users]
MX-linux [a little more secure {provided you dont change too many default applications}]
Parrot Home edition [ for daily computing make sure you get the Home edition and not the security {pen-testing}Distribution
depending on the power of your machine, gaming is becoming more popular using Linux
If you have a particular M$ program you're besotted with, then it may run using Wine or Bottles.
Mark Fuller
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They are the same kind as the "where there is a will there is an A" people with a beak it to fix it routine. I remember the system care antivirus virus.
captaincranky
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I would dispute the hardware incompatibility claim. A lot of it could have been a lack of interest of writing software for the devices to adapt it to Win 7. Why do it, when they could just sell you a new one?
When you go back to 2007 and prior years , some of that gear simply didn't have the ballz to run 7 to begin with. I bricked a machine by putting "too much memory" in it. Hey, the instructions said "max 1 GB of RAM". I thought they were joking and stuffed in 2 GB. They apparently weren't kidding.
USB devices ran fine, if somewhat slow (USB-1.0). SATA drives could be run natively as SATA.
I'm going to say any prevalent issues were due to the advent of Pci-e. Particularly with the discontinuance of AGP interface graphics.
Software was the major problem. Much of it expected a max of 2 GB of RAM. I had a ripping/ burning suite, (IIRC) that ran fine on 2 GB, but when I put it in a machine with 3 GB, it returned an "insufficient memory" error. Go figure.
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More holes than Swiss cheese lol
Why are so many useless comments flooding this post. There are third party services that provide robust security patches for win10. Just pay the fee and you keep win10 - its a sweet deal. At least Microsoft won't be updating the features on the system - on 1 of my older systems the last win10 feature update for the inbuilt images preview is so sh*tty. Microsoft loves to **** with the things that don't need changing.
captaincranky
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The most forward looking thing I did maybe 5 years prior to Windows 7 EOL, was to kill update altogether. I didn't suffer any full screen nonsense promoting Windows 10, imploring, or demanding, or any suggestions that it was "in my best interest", to install Windows 10 whatsoever.
Yet for those who didn't block updates on 7, there was abundant weeping and gnashing of teeth regarding the intrusions. One update for Windows 7 was characterized by M$ as, "this update helps you install Windows 10". Now, dollars to donuts, that was the friggin' nag screen.
I have a Win 10 (22H2) machine completely built and activated, sitting idly by waiting for my software to be installed. I'm half tempted to let it sit there until October, when it likely won't be tampered with by M$ and their, "get Windows 11" horsesh!t.
So yeah, by all means, end support for Win 10, ASAP, I'm imploring you.
"Without free official security updates, millions of business and personal systems could become highly vulnerable to cyberattacks and other security threats."
Oh really??
Is that why millions of ATM cash machines STILL run Windows XP?
I am not drinking Microsoft's kool aide.
There is not anyone at Microsoft that cannot tell me they cannot make Windows 11 available to everyone , it has nothing to do with security, Windows 10 is just as secure as 11 with TPM and Secure boot enabled. This is nothing more than a money grab by MS to get kickbacks from cpu makers.
Oh really??
Is that why millions of ATM cash machines STILL run Windows XP?
I am not drinking Microsoft's kool aide.
There is not anyone at Microsoft that cannot tell me they cannot make Windows 11 available to everyone , it has nothing to do with security, Windows 10 is just as secure as 11 with TPM and Secure boot enabled. This is nothing more than a money grab by MS to get kickbacks from cpu makers.
Mark Fuller
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One of the reasons that ATM's and other businesses still use wxp (I know grocery store chains and chicken plants that still use wxp) is because that the machines that use them are completely capable of doing what they are put there to do without the need for upgrades. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Also, they don't require connection to the internet, they are not networked at all or are on a LAN. I think in this journal was mention of a Commodore 64 still being used for a cash register. BTW, if you are a field tech you might run into some of them, I still do from time to time.
The only requirement for W11 of any note is TPM2 support. That means all Intel since 2013 and all AMD since 2015.
Jeff Murray
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Compared to W10, W11 is a step backwards.
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