Market share surprise: Windows 10 popularity is increasing

poshflamingos said:

It literally does explain it.


Again, this makes no sense. That 62% share of W10 PCs are mostly PCs that don't meet the requirements (no TPM 2.0, unsupported CPU, or both). Whether they have updates turned off is completely irrelevant, because the W11 upgrade will never even be offered to them due to not meeting the requirements.


Enterprise is never keen on switching. This is not any different than any other version of Windows that came before. Enterprise wasn't keen on switching to W10 either, but that didn't stop it from becoming the most popular OS.
No matter how you slice it, the reality is that the only difference between W10 and W11 is the CPU/TPM requirement, and that is the only reason people aren't upgrading as quickly.


Yep, this is what we call a worthless anecdote. The small handful of people you personally know has zero statistical significance.
The reality is that OpenAI and Nvidia are among the most important companies on the planet today because everybody uses ChatGPT and similar tools. Nobody is "exhausted" of AI, the demand for it is still gigantic.

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I won't bother arguing with most of that because you aren't swayed by facts.

But I couldn't help but point out that Nvidia is making a lot of money from other companies that are hoping to cash in on AI at some point in the future when the figure out a product that the exhausted consumers will pay for.

OpenAI is losing TONS of money but being funded by investors that are afraid of missing the next Facebook. Except after promising God AI in a few years, the models have stopped improving with size... ooops. Time to pivot to AI agents that will do something something then profit. Pay no attention to the fact that we are no longer building that ever bigger model we needed billions for...

ScottSoapbox said:

I won't bother arguing with most of that because you aren't swayed by facts.

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Your comments contained literally zero facts.

But I couldn't help but point out that Nvidia is making a lot of money from other companies that are hoping to cash in on AI at some point in the future when the figure out a product that the exhausted consumers will pay for.~

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Nvidia's biggest clients are Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Apple, and other tech giants, all of which either already have AI products deployed (Gemini, Apple Intelligence) or simply run underlying infrastructure (Azure, AWS).

OpenAI is losing TONS of money but being funded by investors that are afraid of missing the next Facebook.

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Microsoft owns half of OpenAI, and it runs on Azure. Sure, there are VCs involved, but OpenAI doesn't depend on VCs to exist.

Except after promising God AI in a few years, the models have stopped improving with size... ooops. Time to pivot to AI agents that will do something something then profit. Pay no attention to the fact that we are no longer building that ever bigger model we needed billions for...

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OpenAI's models (including ChatGPT) already are functional, valuable products. Even if they stopped evolving entirely starting today, they would still be incredibly valuable for the foreseeable future. Traffic ranking websites show chatgpt.com among the top most used websites worldwide today, like this one that lists it as 8th or this one that lists it at 10th (different methodologies).

Suggesting that AI is a "fad" or that people are "tired of it" is complete lunacy from someone entirely disconnected from reality.

The TPM requirement and the addition of even more stuff to disable has caused myself to resist the move as long as I possibly can.

This is all about the money and making money for their investors and stockholders. Do you really think they care what the user thinks? The real difference I see in the 10 and 11 is that Windows puch their search, copilot, and other device extensions that will make them more money. I bought a Win 11 device because of the ability to do Android, which has very little useful purposes for the average user

Impudicus said:

The TPM requirement and the addition of even more stuff to disable has caused myself to resist the move as long as I possibly can.

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By passing the TRM is as easy as it is to download Win11 and Use Rufus to make a bootable USB. utube also has many options for Win11 without TRM

poshflamingos said:

Your comments contained literally zero facts.

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No only facts that you don't like and therefore ignore.

poshflamingos said:

Nvidia's biggest clients are Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Apple, and other tech giants, all of which either already have AI products deployed (Gemini, Apple Intelligence) or simply run underlying infrastructure (Azure, AWS).

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Thank you for agreeing with me. See how those clients that have spent billions and made zero to tens of thousands of dollars on AI? They all see a trillion dollar AI market that has yet to materialize.

poshflamingos said:

Microsoft owns half of OpenAI, and it runs on Azure. Sure, there are VCs involved, but OpenAI doesn't depend on VCs to exist.

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MS investment is weird in that much of it is Azure credits and not in return for equity in OpenAI.

But OpenAI wouldn't exist without it's investors (I never said VCs). Their revenue is tiny compared to their expenses and even smaller compared to their capital outlays.

poshflamingos said:

OpenAI's models (including ChatGPT) already are functional, valuable products. Even if they stopped evolving entirely starting today, they would still be incredibly valuable for the foreseeable future. Traffic ranking websites show chatgpt.com among the top most used websites worldwide today, like this one that lists it as 8th or this one that lists it at 10th (different methodologies).

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They are valuable products. Just not hundreds of billions valuable which is all based on the promised land of next gen AI that won't hallucinate and be smarter than 4.0. They literally talked about creating AI God within 5 and maybe even 2 years (with more funding for GPUs, etc.). That hype and the fear of missing out on "the next internet" level of payday is why crazy money is getting dumped into AI. Right now at best you have a $20/month subscription service on the level of Netflix. Good money but not earth shattering.

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Suggesting that AI is a "fad" or that people are "tired of it" is complete lunacy from someone entirely disconnected from reality.

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Maybe listen to a VergeCast on the topic if you want a view of non-lunatics that cover tech and are equally unimpressed by AI as mostly party tricks at this point.

And that's the problem. People are getting tired of every company they see pushing their great new AI whatever that isn't actually that great because every AI product is an early beta right now. I use AI frequently myself and it is handy and helpful but it also screws up a lot. Not so much as to offset the help but enough that I wouldn't trust it with anything I can't review first.
I use AI frequently myself, but

Thrackerzod said:

Microsoft did not say that. One of their developers made the comment "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." By "last version" what he meant was the "latest version", he simply mispoke. However all of the tech sites ran with it (hooray for clickbait!) saying there would be no more new Windows versions. This was also just a developer, it was never an official statement. Not once did Microsoft say Windows 10 was going to be the last version.

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Actually your partial right. Microsoft developed Win 8 to compete in the mobile sector against iOS and Android. The UI was too mobile centric and MS got a lot of pushback from M&K users, so they released 8.1, and then retooled Win 10 to be more of a hybrid. And while they didn't exactly say that it would be the last version, what they did say was that just like Android windows was going to pivot to a service model instead of a periodic release one. So it might still be called Win 10 or it might not, but it would be evolving with constant unpaid updates either way. IMHO MS was banking on the Windows store being the revenue generator, but unlike with iOS and Android it just never happened. So they dropped the service model idea and went back to releasing new versions instead.

https://www.windowscentral.com/wind...n-windows-microsoft-rethinks-operating-system

ZedRM said:

That's Steam, not the whole of the internet. Surprise, surprise, not everyone uses their PCs for games.

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Can't trust a single site for information, surprise surprise. Statcounter is not a great source.

cristianm said:

10 years of support for windows 10 is quite enough. It is unfortunate that new hardware does not have TPM 2.0, that is not Microsoft's fault. Maybe MS will drop the requirement for some of these CPUs in the name of reducing e-waste since some of the Win11 versions do not mandate it. For now they are probably content in charging extra for Win10 extended support.

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It is clearly MS's fault. They are the maintainers of the OS and set the requirements. They could have supported all hardware for the last 15 years, if they wanted to be nice.

NumberNine said:

Microsoft made it very clear at launch that Windows 10 was the final Windows. They said we'd never need to upgrade again.

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Actually Microsoft never said that. Tech media just tried to sell it as a truth that it never was.

NumberNine said:

Microsoft made it very clear at launch that Windows 10 was the final Windows. They said we'd never need to upgrade again.

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They didn't. One employee said that Windows 10 being the last version "was the way Microsoft were treating it" not that it actually was.

That & Microsoft's lifecycle support page for Windows 10 said at launch that support would run until October 2025... as is still the case. They were pretty clear upfront on that point on the lifecycle support page. Historical precedent also made a 10 year support cycle believable - all 3 previous versions (Vista, 7, 8/8.1) all had 10 years + a few months of support from launch.

slmediaos said:

Windows 10 is much better then 11.

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Windows 11 is much better then 10.